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Confession of a Hard-liner Turned Soft Mystic

Why I accept the Bible as God's word

Posted Monday, September 11, 2006 by Sam Yeiter

I was raised, theologically speaking, to distrust experience. I shudder when someone says, “God told me…” and I absolutely cringe at declarations of having met angels or even Jesus (who is often in disguise). I recently realized that, though I have not met an incarnate Christ, nor angelic
messengers (as far as I know), my faith is built on experience.

Many times, from pulpit or lectern, I have taught on faith. Hebrews 11:3 says, “By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.” From this I assert that a faith that won’t fail may be based only on that which is true, and that ultimately we can only know something is true if God reveals it. In other words, no one was there at creation except God, and yet we know what happened. The only way that we know is because God told Moses (or told someone who told someone who told someone…who eventually told Moses).
For many of us the only sure source of revelation is the divinely-breathed-Bible. This has been my basis of faith, namely that the Bible says “x” is true. I affirm the last two sentences, but here is the crux – every piece of scripture is born of someone’s experience with God.
Moses says God told him certain things and I believe him. The prophets claim to have been speaking what God told them, and I believe them. The Gospel writers contend that the Holy Spirit brought back to their minds the things Jesus taught them. John claims to have been given a vision – all of these things are experiences that I have chosen to believe were real. When I choose to believe scripture, I am choosing to believe in the reality of the writer’s experience with God. So my question is this: why did I disbelieve my parishioner when she claimed that Jesus came to her when she was living on the street, and yet I readily accept the testimony of people who lived between two and four-thousand years ago? Who is to say that one person’s encounter with God is valid and another’s isn’t? I have wrestled with this for a while and I have a couple thoughts/suggestions:
1) To a certain extent I test a person’s experience pragmatically. Does what they claim God said work? If there is a God, and I assume there is, then he must know what he’s talking about. For the most part scripture’s claims are readily acknowledged as true (even by unbelievers) with regard to their daily functionality. For instance, a soft answer does turn away wrath while shooting the bird at the guy who just cut you off on the interstate is likely to end in a fender-bender, lying does break down social structure, and loose living does damage the people groups who indulge in it.
2) Often, scripture writers who claim an experience with God are not alone in their claims or there are external proofs offered. Moses had hundreds of thousands of people hear God and see his activity. Given God’s power and wrath, one could assume that God would smite him if he misrepresented him…oh, wait, he did there at the end, and Joshua told us about it.
Neither of these answers ultimately satisfy me. Obvious arguments could be leveled against them, and they don’t really answer the question of why I am partial toward Moses’ experience with God over against my parishioner’s. The theological answer that works for me is found in John 6:65, “And he was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to me, unless it has been granted him from the Father,” and John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.” It strikes me, from these verses, that our faith begins by an experience, of which we are typically unaware. And contrary to many testimonies, it is not us having a meeting with God, but is God having a meeting with us. I like the way Paul puts it in Galatians 4:9, “But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God…” The emphasis is on being known, rather than knowing. Once I have accepted the experiences of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Peter, Paul and Mary (and the other Mary), then I find myself bound by the writings God led them to produce. Within those documents I find the means to evaluate other person’s experiences, as well as the basis for disbelieving those who would claim private divine encounters, the contents of which typically run counter to that presented by the former.
This has become my only explanation for my belief in God and the scriptures attributed to him. He made me believe and pulled me into an experience with him, one that has suffered problems and questions, but has withstood them. I have begun an experience with him that will continue even after this body is dead. This certainly doesn’t make me a true mystic, but for the theologically straight-laced little Baptist boy from Indiana, I have taken a step that some may find dangerous…I have embraced experience. In the end, experience is more valuable than I ever realized.

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:50 PM

Brian wrote: Experience or humility So could I say that your faith continues because your expectations have been met?You expect that a soft answer (usually) turns away wrath. Since you have experienced (observed) that it (usually) does, you continue to rely on that truth as well as others in the Bible. The crux is that every bet is hedged like garden maze (except for those that have exception clauses).

Our new experiences always supersede old experiences. This is called learning, but we don’t rely on something that we learned just this morning. The wise have learned criteria to evaluate new experiences. They can discover if new experiences are valid. They can readily recognize both truth and falsehood.

This is more than simply an experience and more than the collection of experiences of a lifetime. It is even more than the experiences of all of humanity. There are patterns to truth that we can learn to recognize. Certain things have “a ring of truth about them.” You accept the testimony of Abraham, Peter and the others because you recognize the truth in them. You accept their testimony even about the things you don’t understand because the speak so accurately about the things you do understand.

As I ramble on here, I think that you have missed the danger of your step. It is not that you accept the experience of others (Abraham, etc.). It is that you have accepted your humble estate. You cannot empirically verify their claims, you are choosing to trust them where they speak beyond your understanding. And when you humbly accept  that empirical proof is beyond the scope of your existence, you don’t demand that everyone else believe exactly as you do. And for a straight-laced little Baptist boy from Indiana, that is very dangerous. 

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:24 AM

Sam wrote: dizzy
Well, i feel a little dizzy...and am pretty sure that i have missed your point...or that you have missed mine.  I don't know if you are approving what i wrote or have a problem with it...could you clarify a bit?
Now, one thing is true, i do not demand that everyone else believe as i do...though i think God does.  It is not my place to condemn the buddhist, muslim, etc..., i don't have that authority. 
Looking for equilibrium,
sam

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:35 AM

Brian wrote: Dramamine...?

I suppose that is what you get for writing something at 10 at night...

Well...to try and make sense of what I wrote: 

On an individual level, experiences can change your perspective from one day to the next so individual experience is unreliable as a basis for belief.

Experiences shared by a community are somewhat more reliable, but are still subjective and prone to missing key facts.

 Going back through the years, and finding a common belief shared by people from all ages and all nations increases the reliability of experience even more.

But in all of these things, experience still lacks the absolute certainty many of our fellow Christians claim for our Faith. 

My conclusion is that by basing your faith on experience rather than faux certainty you are being honest about the limitation of being human. We can have unshakeable confidence in the claims of Scripture, but that is a personal choice. We are incapable of theological certainty that demands others believe as we do. 

Friday, September 15, 2006 7:43 PM

Charlie wrote: 

I might be joining the trend in wandering away from the point of the discussion, but I thought I would add in my two cents. (By the way, if someone says "A penny for your thoughts" and you give them your two cents, where does the other cent go?) 

I do not think that we can know anything with 100% certainty. Or perhaps better: I do not think we should know anything with 100% certainty. Now, this does not cast me into despair because I have 99.9 repeating percent on a lot of things. I can't prove that if I step off a roof, I'll fall, but that doesn't mean that I go stepping off of roofs. So even though I do not have 100% certainty on the Christian faith, I still think I would be foolish to not follow it. So this means that experience does play a role, because it shows what is reasonable to believe.

 

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:22 AM

Josh wrote: Is it 'I don't know if I'm certain' or 'I'm certain I don't know'...

Let's wander even further afield...

I think it is reasonable to conclude that "certainty", in the technical sense of admitting no possiblity for doubt, requires an absolute knowledge which is only possessed by God.  We, first as finite creatures and second as individuals flawed by sin existing in a creation under the effects of sin, are certainly (haha, couldn't resist) without absolute knowledge.  Absolute knowledge, specifically, knowledge of what has yet to occur, is necessary to establish certain proof.  Charlie, I think this is what you were identifying with your statement about not being able to prove that you will fall if you step off a roof.  All the evidence that exists about gravity, falling bodies, rooftops, Charlie-being-human (sort of) - this only proves "all evidence about gravity/falling tends in one direction".  From this we draw the conclusion (quite strongly) that Charlie will fall.  But this is a conclusion, not proof.  This is where the idea of warrant comes in...some things have warrant, some have stronger warrant, some have less warrant.  There is certainly little (by this I mean none whatsoever) warrant for me to conclude that Charlie won't fall, and much warrant to conclude that he will. 

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